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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 5:30 pm
by Neil the Don
Mind you,
The fuel in the USA is different again. Maybe already has a higher ethanol content.?
Its nasty when new. And appears to go OFF a lot faster. Certainly , the stuff in the tanks of most of the bikes I`ve brought back from there, if they`ve sat for a few years, absolutely stinks !!
Its a sick situation. We`ve got farmers growing Corn , to make this ethanol. " AS ITS A GREENER " fuel , yet the work that goes into planting, feeding/growing it, then turning it into an ethanil Bio additive has a far greater Carbon Footprint , than just pumping out proper oil from under the ground.
Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 5:34 pm
by Charlie
It would appear that Neil is correct about (at least the majority of) Super Unleaded.
I still have no clue about any possible additives though.
I just lifted the following from
http://www.groups.tr-register.co.uk/wes ... pdate.html
To save you reading the lot, the relevant portion is::
Ethanol is only added in the final stage of fuel distribution this is easily possible. I have contacted the major fuel suppliers and asked them directly about the addition of Ethanol in the petrol they sell. The results vary, but generally speaking?Super Unleaded fuel is far less likely to have Ethanol blended into it than standard Unleaded. But this will change as the regulations force the fuel companies to increase the amount of bio fuel they sell. (This information was correct at the time of asking?Feb 2011)
BP Ethanol is added at 5% to unleaded petrol at all sites across the UK. BP Ultimate (super unleaded petrol) does not have Ethanol added, except in the South West of England.
Esso Ethanol is added at 5% to unleaded petrol at most sites in the UK. Esso Super Unleaded petrol does not contain Ethanol, except in the South West of England (Devon & Cornwall)
Shell Shell has repeatedly refused to answer the question. It is therefore an assumption only, that all Shell petrol should be considered to contain 5% Ethanol.
Texaco Ethanol is added at 5% to unleaded petrol. Texaco Super Unleaded petrol does not contain Ethanol.
Total Ethanol is not added to any Total fuel (including standard unleaded petrol). Except in the North West and South East of England.
Total have kindly provided a list of filling stations where E0 petrol can still be purchased. Click this link to download the list TOTAL E0 Fuel Sites.xls
As far as I can gather, the only reason that the super unleaded fuels seem to be ethanol free is because it is harder to obtain the fuel quality required for super unleaded if Ethanol is present. However several of the oil companies told me that this will change in the future but that no date has been set.
Chris Thompson CAE Eng Tech AMIMI
I would add the Excel file containing all the TOTAL E0 sites, but there seems to be no function to add attachments for some reason .....
Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 6:21 pm
by scouse
Neil the Don wrote:The over Winter thing.
I THINK its because water content freezes at zero. While the "real" petrol doesn`t.
( And I`ve deliberately talked it " in Seemples" !! )
I`m stating that Super Unleaded is Ethanol free only from memory. Not checked it up.
I`m sure Scouse will tho`. Eh ?
According to Shell there super unleaded does not contain ethonal, but thus was in 2009 so don't take it as gospel
Gary T
Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 6:58 pm
by Charlie
Yeah, that also seems to be the assumption in the previous post Gary
Shell has repeatedly refused to answer the question. It is therefore an assumption only, that all Shell petrol should be considered to contain 5% Ethanol.
Still - most Total stations appear to be Ethanol free, perhaps we need to vote with our wallets. ?
Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:32 pm
by Dan
The part# for the Dow product Deere uses is PM49614. It only comes in a 32oz bottle and is $35 USD. There will be enough there to last a lifetime for our usage.....maybe a handful of ya could go together if you buy it and just split it up so its cheaper. I did the math for you because it only has big tank dosage amounts on the bottle. For maintenance/day to day treatment its .032oz per gallon....for a "shock" treatment it is .12oz per gallon. If you mix it a little rich it won't hurt....just pissing some $$ away.
I don't know what your auto parts stores have on the shelves over there but if any of them have this product it works well (also addresses the "phase separation" of ethanol fuel) and it comes in handy little shooters.
http://mystarbrite.com/startron/
We just started using this product over the summer for our small gas engines. I can't give a long term review yet but have seen no issues.
In the old days you could just add some StaBil to the gas and you were good. BTW, if you use StaBil be sure and buy the Marine formula as it supposedly addresses ethanol issues where the regular stuff is for pure gas only.
Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:59 pm
by thelodgers
I guess a lot of us buy their petrol at supermarkets ( Tesco in my case ).
Does anyone know whether there is any E10 in their normal and superunleaded ?
Thanks
Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 8:39 pm
by Charlie
thelodgers wrote:I guess a lot of us buy their petrol at supermarkets ( Tesco in my case ).
Does anyone know whether there is any E10 in their normal and superunleaded ?
Thanks
No-one is on E10 just yet, it's still E5 which is bad enough and causing more than a few problems even now.
You may want to be steering clear of Tesco (and possibly most supermarket ?) fuels though it seems. They appear to already be on E5 which will upgrade to E10 in 2013.
Tesco supplies its forecourts with Super Unleaded 99 Octane (Research Octane Number). The fuel is a blend of 5% bio-ethanol, and has been available since mid-November 2005, at selected filling stations across the UK. This Fuel is supplied to Tesco by Greenergy.
Taken from
http://www.petrolprices.com/tesco.html
Looks like the stations to use, are the ones selling the super unleaded fuel listed in my previous post, along with Total who dont yet use Ethanol at all.
We may pay more at the pump - but hopefully less in repair bills ?