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Ultrasonic cleaning - a cautionary tale
Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:33 pm
by RogerE
I had the carbs on my S2 ultrasonically cleaned this week and they looked great. However, the guy that did them called me a day later and said that he had found some small brass balls (2 mm and 4mm) in the tank afterwards. I said I wasn't aware of them as a component of my carbs, but hang on to them all the same...…
When I put the carbs back on today, as soon as I turned on the fuel tap, petrol gushed all over the engine! The cleaning had dislodged the small, 2mm brass ball that seals what seems to be a redundant outlet just below brass pipe where the fuel enters (see attached picture). It had also detached a larger, 4mm brass ball near the choke that must perform a similar function.
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I have no idea why these seemingly redundant features are on the carbs, does anybody know why? Anyway, if you do get your carbs ultrasonically cleaned, examine them very carefully after!
Re: Ultrasonic cleaning - a cautionary tale
Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:40 pm
by ACS International
Hi,
I think you'll find the balls are to block drillings that are done in the manufacturing process
of the carb.
I guess you could refit the balls and smear araldite, or other epoxy glue, over the outside to seal the ball.
Hope this helps
Ade
Re: Ultrasonic cleaning - a cautionary tale
Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:17 am
by RogerE
Thanks for the reply - I am waiting for the Araldite to set now!
Roger
Re: Ultrasonic cleaning - a cautionary tale
Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:59 am
by Craig T
Not sure about Araldite and petrol together long term....could degrade.
I'd try and get a mechanical fix too (peen over the alloy) just in case the Araldite gives up.
Brilliant article by Dave Higgs in the resources section on carbs.

Re: Ultrasonic cleaning - a cautionary tale
Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:10 am
by Hal
The Araldite will be fine. I made a temporary repair to my H2 tank where they commonly fail by the strap bracket, and it stayed put for years with no problem.
Re: Ultrasonic cleaning - a cautionary tale
Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:51 pm
by h2bchris
[quote="RogerE"]I had the carbs on my S2 ultrasonically cleaned this week and they looked great. However, the guy that did them called me a day later and said that he had found some small brass balls (2 mm and 4mm) in the tank afterwards. I said I wasn't aware of them as a component of my carbs, but hang on to them all the same...…
When I put the carbs back on today, as soon as I turned on the fuel tap, petrol gushed all over the engine! The cleaning had dislodged the small, 2mm brass ball that seals what seems to be a redundant outlet just below brass pipe where the fuel enters (see attached picture). It had also detached a larger, 4mm brass ball near the choke that must perform a similar function.
20200429_132849.jpg
I have no idea why these seemingly redundant features are on the carbs, does anybody know why? Anyway, if you do get your carbs ultrasonically cleaned, examine them very carefully after
Re: Ultrasonic cleaning - a cautionary tale
Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2020 8:20 pm
by Doctorpayday
Try tapping holes out to accept short grub screws and loctite them in.
Doc
Re: Ultrasonic cleaning - a cautionary tale
Posted: Fri May 01, 2020 1:01 pm
by RogerE
Thanks for the useful advice. I did a bit of investigation and araldite should be ok, but I will keep a close eye on it. I filled a tiny hole on the underside of an exhaust with araldite and that has been fine for years and that is subject to petrol/oil gunge and some heat.
Products called Chemical Metal and JB-weld sound like the best stuff to use though.
Roger
Re: Ultrasonic cleaning - a cautionary tale
Posted: Fri May 01, 2020 1:26 pm
by mraxl
The same thing can happen to the intakes.... and where the ball goes depends on which side carb you have...

Re: Ultrasonic cleaning - a cautionary tale
Posted: Fri May 01, 2020 8:21 pm
by Triple Parts
JB Weld is great stuff.
Re: Ultrasonic cleaning - a cautionary tale
Posted: Sat May 02, 2020 6:41 pm
by RogerE
Thanks, great pictures mraxi, I'll check if those balls are still there!