BAD PEOPLE AT DVLC

[Eric]

The imports come with ready made Welsh accents, if they were true Welsh you would not understand them.

I wouldn`t get hung up about the Welshness of it all ? Lets face it , they are wage slaves beholdant to their Overlords.

The true power is , as always , held in Westiminster. Probably some bloke from Surrey running it all.

No hang ups Neil just a bit of banter, I only live 20 miles from the DVLA and it took 5 months to get the a new style log book back in 2009 for my H1a which I have had from new.

[Nick]

mm so there isnt a 40 year rolling rule for bikes, like cars then?
Right now, any car constructed before Jan 1976 is eligible for historic status in the eyes of HMRC and so is tax free....
That is like saying that when your 1976 bike gets to 50 years old its not historic......am sure there must be some logic to this...then again when has any kind of logic filtered thro from HMRC to the rest of us!
Maybe when HMRC get around to changing the "rule" at the end of the tax year or they catch up with 2016 it will happen for bikes too..

[Malcolm]

There is a rolling rule for cars and bikes, but it has to be ratified each year by Parliament in the Budget hence the April rollover date

[Neil the Don]

mm so there isnt a 40 year rolling rule for bikes, like cars then?
Right now, any car constructed before Jan 1976 is eligible for historic status in the eyes of HMRC and so is tax free....
That is like saying that when your 1976 bike gets to 50 years old its not historic......am sure there must be some logic to this...then again when has any kind of logic filtered thro from HMRC to the rest of us!
Maybe when HMRC get around to changing the "rule" at the end of the tax year or they catch up with 2016 it will happen for bikes too..

you , like many people , are confusing HMRC with DVLA in this,process.

[Neil the Don]

There is a rolling rule for cars and bikes, but it has to be ratified each year by Parliament in the Budget hence the April rollover date

Twaddle Malcom. There are now two budgets every year, with the Chancellors Autumn statement .

but neither of those events dictates. The non continuation or not , of a rolling eligibility date.

[Pops]

Had to get my H1A recorded as a historic vehicle as I couldn't even tax it if I wanted to even though I had a V5 with the right year of manufacture on it (but with no taxation class)

Anyway went to post office thinking that they could initiate the change, they called DVLA who were actually quite helpful (sorry all!) but transpired that the Post office branches could not change the taxation class and that I would have to send the V5C off to Swansea with the change of taxation class box filled in.

I did this and they recorded it as historic vehicle inside a week and sent me the revised V5c a couple of days later

Pops

[Mitsui Spy]

There is a rolling rule for cars and bikes, but it has to be ratified each year by Parliament in the Budget hence the April rollover date

Twaddle Malcom. There are now two budgets every year, with the Chancellors Autumn statement .

but neither of those events dictates. The non continuation or not , of a rolling eligibility date.

What you mean is the timing of the budget(s) does not implicitly dictate the date (you said continuation) but the irony is that the budget DOES dictate the date whether it's in Spring, Autumn or Octember. They dictate it. They tell us when it will be (rightly or wrongly). And the continuation of course.

Why 1st April?
Primarily because they've a sense of humour.
Secondly because of the timing of the legislation. If they'd have made it 1st January it would have been retrospective and they would have been faced with people who'd already taxed their vehicles becoming eligible for refunds etc. Rather than cope with that they said "f*ck it - we'll just introduce it from now(ish)". Why they didn't make it 1st January for subsequent years is anyone's guess.

[Neil the Don]

There is a rolling rule for cars and bikes, but it has to be ratified each year by Parliament in the Budget hence the April rollover date

Twaddle Malcom. There are now two budgets every year, with the Chancellors Autumn statement .

but neither of those events dictates. The non continuation or not , of a rolling eligibility date.

What you mean is the timing of the budget(s) does not implicitly dictate the date (you said continuation) but the irony is that the budget DOES dictate the date whether it's in Spring, Autumn or Octember. They dictate it. They tell us when it will be (rightly or wrongly). And the continuation of course.

Why 1st April?
Primarily because they've a sense of humour.
Secondly because of the timing of the legislation. If they'd have made it 1st January it would have been retrospective and they would have been faced with people who'd already taxed their vehicles becoming eligible for refunds etc. Rather than cope with that they said "f*ck it - we'll just introduce it from now(ish)". Why they didn't make it 1st January for subsequent years is anyone's guess.

Well put, James.
I`d imagine that the ongoing April date will be dVLA`a interpretation of it, to squeeze 4 months further tax out of us ( their Costomers !! ) due to poorly written statement that didn`t tie it down for the traditional ( and common sens / fair ) date.
Write to your MPs !!! DVLC are evil !!!

[Malcolm]

There is a rolling rule for cars and bikes, but it has to be ratified each year by Parliament in the Budget hence the April rollover date

Twaddle Malcom. There are now two budgets every year, with the Chancellors Autumn statement .

but neither of those events dictates. The non continuation or not , of a rolling eligibility date.

Bollox Neil

Budget April 2013 announced an extra year and Budget April 2014 announced that the measure will become on a 40 year rolling basis.
Source DVLA

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... icles_.pdf

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[Mitsui Spy]

I`d imagine that the ongoing April date will be dVLA`a interpretation of it, to squeeze 4 months further tax out of us ( their Costomers !! ) due to poorly written statement that didn`t tie it down for the traditional ( and common sens / fair ) date.

It would be easy to assume that, but sadly this was set out by the government. The DVLA don't make the rules but probably struggle to interpret them in situations like this.

This 1st April thing has just served to confuse matters, especially as it contradicts the '40 year' rule. It's essentially now a 40 year and 3 month rule.....which the week's 'grace' turns into a 40 year 2 month and 3 week rule.

So now you can have a vehicle first registered, say, mid Jan 75 and by late March 16 it's still not eligible for free tax even though it's 41 years 2 months and 1 week old. Clever and not at all confusing .

I don't even think this is about pinching another 3 months duty as it's a negligible amount in the grand scheme, it's plain and simple fukwitted bureaucracy.

[Neil the Don]

There is a rolling rule for cars and bikes, but it has to be ratified each year by Parliament in the Budget hence the April rollover date

Twaddle Malcom. There are now two budgets every year, with the Chancellors Autumn statement .

but neither of those events dictates. The non continuation or not , of a rolling eligibility date.

Bollox Neil

Budget April 2013 announced an extra year and Budget April 2014 announced that the measure will become on a 40 year rolling basis.
Source DVLA

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... icles_.pdf

Malcom, ( And James. ) You are both veing FAR too sensible and resonable with these Numpties !!

Please let me have an unreasonable RANT !!!!!

If a 40 yr rollling Historic tax class was introduced in April 2014. Then it is very very very simple to let in commence on Janusry 2015 ??? Surely ? Eh ? Oh, come on !!!![

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[Mitsui Spy]

If a 40 yr rollling Historic tax class was introduced in April 2014. Then it is very very very simple to let in commence on Janusry 2015 ??? Surely ? Eh ? Oh, come on !!!

Couldn't agree more.

See with a bit of gentle cajoling we've distilled your rant down to the salient point :wink: .

[Nick]

All crystal then, now we have drilled down to bitter end!
Teamwork always gets results....

[Rubbadub]

so.....what was the outcome then?

[Neil the Don]

so.....what was the outcome then?

A Score Draw.

[Malcolm]

so.....what was the outcome then?

"The outcome"

We haven't even sorted out the question yet John


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[Neil the Don]

so.....what was the outcome then?

"The outcome"

We haven't even sorted out the question yet John


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[Nick64]

I`d imagine that the ongoing April date will be dVLA`a interpretation of it, to squeeze 4 months further tax out of us ( their Costomers !! ) due to poorly written statement that didn`t tie it down for the traditional ( and common sens / fair ) date.

It would be easy to assume that, but sadly this was set out by the government. The DVLA don't make the rules but probably struggle to interpret them in situations like this.

This 1st April thing has just served to confuse matters, especially as it contradicts the '40 year' rule. It's essentially now a 40 year and 3 month rule.....which the week's 'grace' turns into a 40 year 2 month and 3 week rule.

So now you can have a vehicle first registered, say, mid Jan 75 and by late March 16 it's still not eligible for free tax even though it's 41 years 2 months and 1 week old. Clever and not at all confusing .

I don't even think this is about pinching another 3 months duty as it's a negligible amount in the grand scheme, it's plain and simple fukwitted bureaucracy.

So the government (politicians) decide on policy, then the Chancellor and his advisors decide what exactly will happen and then civil servants in Treasury and/or HM Revenue and Customs write a Finance Bill, the Budget happens and politicians vote through the Bill which becomes an Act. The Finance Act (sections 84 and 85) http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/201 ... ts/enacted. This law amends the Vehicle Excise and Registration Act 1994 Schedule 2 (http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1994/22/contents) and DVLA civil servants then have to implement the changes.
This year's changes are in Finance Act 2015 http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2015/11/section/59

Why April? - Tax years start in April

So yes it is bureaucracy and then they have to programme their computer system to deal with it.....

[Mitsui Spy]

Why April? - Tax years start in April

Twollox! That's like saying "because it does"
Besides, if it were so inextricably linked to the tax year it'd be 6th April not the 1st.

(Neil couldn't be with us this morning so I'm being truculent on his behalf).
Oh Jeez.....I'm morphing.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[Neil the Don]

Why April? - Tax years start in April

Twollox! That's like saying "because it does"
Besides, if it were so inextricably linked to the tax year it'd be 6th April not the 1st.

(Neil couldn't be with us this morning so I'm being truculent on his behalf).
Oh Jeez.....I'm morphing.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Yay!!!! It's the start of the People's Revolution. Stop accepting mediocrity and claptrap from our Civil Sevants. They are meant to be there to SERVE us . We pay their wages. ( And by any God , do we pay for them !! )

Write letters of complaint at every instance they mess you about , screw up their "Cusromer Satisfaction" records. That 's the only way they will improve; when their Bosses bonus goes a.w.o.l.

Just one instance that stokes my rage . approx 15 yrs ago registering an Imported vehicle cost £0.00
Then they applied a fee. £20.00
Then it increased to £35.00. Now it's £55.00

In the meantime , they have closed the Regional Offices , and constantly increased the amount of paperwork WE are required to submit. ( incl introducing a ruling that probably conflicts with Euro anti competition laws). Most recent nonsense is requiring us to write them a covering letter to tell them why weare using a Dating Letter instead of a Foreign Log book ( Yes, it's blatantly obvious why ?!!! And they had managed to understand that for decades previously )

Oh , AND , now they can't even be bothered to issue a revised MOT with their new allocated Age related registration number on it. So , if you register a bike , then sell it within a month , the new owner is unable to re-tax it via their own website. As their website program requires the reg number . It cannot handle the vin number . Follow that Chaps ?

Rant. Over for this morning.

[Neil the Don]

I`d imagine that the ongoing April date will be dVLA`a interpretation of it, to squeeze 4 months further tax out of us ( their Costomers !! ) due to poorly written statement that didn`t tie it down for the traditional ( and common sens / fair ) date.

It would be easy to assume that, but sadly this was set out by the government. The DVLA don't make the rules but probably struggle to interpret them in situations like this.

This 1st April thing has just served to confuse matters, especially as it contradicts the '40 year' rule. It's essentially now a 40 year and 3 month rule.....which the week's 'grace' turns into a 40 year 2 month and 3 week rule.

So now you can have a vehicle first registered, say, mid Jan 75 and by late March 16 it's still not eligible for free tax even though it's 41 years 2 months and 1 week old. Clever and not at all confusing .

I don't even think this is about pinching another 3 months duty as it's a negligible amount in the grand scheme, it's plain and simple fukwitted bureaucracy.

So the government (politicians) decide on policy, then the Chancellor and his advisors decide what exactly will happen and then civil servants in Treasury and/or HM Revenue and Customs write a Finance Bill, the Budget happens and politicians vote through the Bill which becomes an Act. The Finance Act (sections 84 and 85) http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/201 ... ts/enacted. This law amends the Vehicle Excise and Registration Act 1994 Schedule 2 (http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1994/22/contents) and DVLA civil servants then have to implement the changes.
This year's changes are in Finance Act 2015 http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2015/11/section/59

Why April? - Tax years start in April

So yes it is bureaucracy and then they have to programme their computer system to deal with it.....

I refer the r.h. Gentleman to my previous observation on this matter . a decision made in April 2014 , can readily be implemented by January 2015.

[Nick64]

Yay!!!! It's the start of the People's Revolution. Stop accepting mediocrity and claptrap from our Civil Sevants. They are meant to be there to SERVE us . We pay their wages. ( And by any God , do we pay for them !! )

Write letters of complaint at every instance they mess you about , screw up their "Cusromer Satisfaction" records. That 's the only way they will improve; when their Bosses bonus goes a.w.o.l.

Just one instance that stokes my rage . approx 15 yrs ago registering an Imported vehicle cost £0.00
Then they applied a fee. £20.00
Then it increased to £35.00. Now it's £55.00

In the meantime , they have closed the Regional Offices , and constantly increased the amount of paperwork WE are required to submit. ( incl introducing a ruling that probably conflicts with Euro anti competition laws). Most recent nonsense is requiring us to write them a covering letter to tell them why weare using a Dating Letter instead of a Foreign Log book ( Yes, it's blatantly obvious why ?!!! And they had managed to understand that for decades previously )

Oh , AND , now they can't even be bothered to issue a revised MOT with their new allocated Age related registration number on it. So , if you register a bike , then sell it within a month , the new owner is unable to re-tax it via their own website. As their website program requires the reg number . It cannot handle the vin number . Follow that Chaps ?

Rant. Over for this morning.

Neil you will be pleased to know that

The government considers classic vehicles to be an important part of the nation’s historical heritage. The VED exemption is, therefore, designed to support classic vehicle industry within the UK.

Oh and my comment: Why April? - Tax years start in April was supposed to be a question but I missed the final [?].